Moses calls for a clash of the Old vs. New Testaments
Don “Moses” Lerman has called for a rib eating battle of the old school eaters (debut before 2003) versus the young guns in his blog at Big Ed’s Barbecue in New Jersey. It is hoped that the contest will be held in conjunction with a New York area contest to make it easier for competitors living outside the Northeast to come. Bob Shoudt, Kevin Lipsitz and Brian Seiken have announced interest in competing.
Hall Hunt said (Registered July 13, 2006)
July 29, 2006 @ 8:26 pm
LOL. Old school verse the new school huh? I am always up for an eating challenge, so I like the idea if you get something worked out.
donmoseslerman said
July 29, 2006 @ 9:39 pm
This is Don Lerman , the next N.Y. contest ‘I’ll organize it, no problem ,and by the way they have the best ribs ,even if your not up to the challenge you’ll enjoy the place
more than a fact said
July 29, 2006 @ 11:32 pm
Hunt & Bertoletti might do it.. Chestnut & Simpson i doubt. They might feel they are big time and dont need to prove anything. Last year might have been a different story for the latter two. Its all about timing.Eater X would show without question
Mr Wright said
July 30, 2006 @ 12:34 am
Chestnut would have to be part of this to make it work for those new kids .Pat can still cover a big load on his own but if by chance Pat , Hall , Janus& The Red lose, they can always say Joey wasnt there as part of the team
THE TRUTH HURTS said
July 30, 2006 @ 12:37 am
On the flip side you better pray Jarvis & Booker show for the old timers or your asses are gonna get slaughtered
Pat Bertolett said
July 30, 2006 @ 12:52 am
I would be all for going to that.
Erik the Red said (Registered January 9, 2006)
July 30, 2006 @ 2:31 am
I would be honored to take part in the challenge, I would never back away from any challenge. Seattle is a long way form New York but I am sure there will be a time in the near future to get out there. Don, I guess you are in charge now…
Luther said
July 30, 2006 @ 3:52 am
Don one word of advice. Bring lots of vaseline for easy entry as you bend over while they ram their young guns into you. You are suicidal and the smart old timers wont be part of it.
donmoseslerman said
July 30, 2006 @ 4:09 am
This Don Lerman I want to thank everyone for their responses.
beautifulbrian said
July 30, 2006 @ 8:29 am
Looks like this is shaping up to be a very interesting event
donmoseslerman said
July 30, 2006 @ 10:02 am
this is don lerman i’ll work on getting Jarvis and Booker to attend..
Philly Guy said
July 30, 2006 @ 10:35 am
I’ll be there, its only 10 min away from the Quick Stop.
THE TRUTH HURTS said
July 30, 2006 @ 10:52 am
Luther you are very sick individual with a warped mind
Krazy Kevin said
July 30, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
Count me in! …..along with Lorraineasaurus Rex. Last time I organized this, about 5 years ago, we had Booker, Booker’s wife and kid, Lerman, Me, Lorraineasaurux Rex, my friend John, Russell Mad Dog Machover, Oleg, Oleg’s Brother, Bellydonna, Leon Feingold. Booker had 21 servings, then donated them back. The record before we walked in was 18, but then when they looked at all of us, they raised it to 20 prior to our eating. Otherwise Badlands would have had the record. The owner came over and told us he figured he lost around $200 on our group. He came over to take a photo. Not a bad deal…….. it is around $15 to $18 per person, I was just there about 4 weeks ago, as my last pigout meal before starting my diet.
I am currently on a diet, but will take a vacation for one night, from the diet for this when it happens. (Currently at 16 lbs loss out of 82 lbs goal, by 12/31/06……….want to get back to my sport of caving. Much too fat to fit into most underground passages right now.)
The Baby Back ribs are the ones to do the challenge with, much better than the full size ribs. Most people who go there go for the baby back ribs.
beautifulbrian said
July 30, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
Ed Jarvis claims he wants no part of it. Claims he has bigger fish to fry. His arm could be twisted but i doubt it. Few years ago he would have jumped at it.If this is the case Booker would have to fill in or else in all honesty its a total waste of time. I hate being the pessimist but Seiken , Lerman Goldstein, Lipsitz, Conti with the addition of even a Bob Shoudt would be easy pickins for Chestnut , Hunt, Pat B. Eric the Red & Simpson .Then of course some loudmouth will call the IFOCE and tell them an event is being planned without their approval. If by come miracle they approved it you could bet certain eaters would be left out in the cold including myself . This should have been kept low key instead of publisizing it. Just my opinion
AN OBSERVER said
July 30, 2006 @ 5:59 pm
Jarvis has bigger fish to fry like what?????? LOL LOL LOL
donmoseslerman said
July 30, 2006 @ 6:56 pm
this is a bunch of friends going to an all you can eat returant.it has nothing to do with the ifoce as far as jarvis goes give it some time , he’ll come around I’m sure . and let me state again don’t take anybody fopr granted dont count no team out right yet
Joe said
July 30, 2006 @ 10:21 pm
I’m in,why not have it be a team event old school vs young guns and have team totals,may be more equal
THE TRUTH HURTS said
July 30, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
Joe who? menchetti , chestnut? Larue? It is a team event. You expect the old farts to go one on one ? Pleeeeze
Krazy Kevin said
July 31, 2006 @ 12:03 am
I know that some have said the older eaters are not getting respect from the younger eaters, but I have not personally found that to be the case. All new eaters have been very friendly when I went over to talk to them, without a single exception and I have met all of the up and coming talent.
I think what the old timers have to realize is that yesterday doesn’t matter to the newcomers. It is TODAY that matters and tomorrow. The fact that we built up the IFOCE doesn’t matter to them and I am not sure how much it really should. They entered at a different time than we did. The IFOCE is a train that is moving and you jump on, jump off or stay and mingle. George, Rich and Dave are the conductors. Just like a bowling league I used to belong to. One of the best bowlers in the league was 70 yrs old and another was 18. Both commanded respect from everyone in between. We all looked to them for guidance when we were in a rut, to both of them. The bowler who was 70 remembers pin setting boys and games taking forever. The fact that he went through that doesn’t mean the newer bowlers have to show him more respect. Age does not matter in some sports, as much as it does in others. Golf is one, bowling is one and competitive eating is another.
I think the younger eaters may feel intimidated by the older eaters, in that they have more history with the IFOCE. On the other hand, older eaters may feel intimidated by the younger eaters talent, which has blindsided some of them, as it appears to come fast out of nowhere. Where some of the old times have practiced for years, to seen their totals go up by only 10% to 20%, and the newcomers suddenly double their totals, this can be disconcerting.
I am not intimidated by anyone and I don’t mean that in a competitive sense, like come and get me, try to beat me, etc. I mean it in that I see each eater as a unique individual and each person has something to bring to the IFOCE table, and make the table more interesting, to the outside world and the media.
I know that some of the older eaters may not agree with me on this, but if they think about it, everyone HAS to be new at some time and new blood is necessary for an organization to keep growing and improving on itself. Otherwise, it becomes boring and insignificant and fades away into obscurity.
I think a fun get together outside the normal contest circuit would be good for comraderie and would end the old school / young school mentality. It really should not exist. We are all part of one IFOCE / MLE.
donmoseslerman said
July 31, 2006 @ 4:08 am
I think if anything this will bring back the comeraderi hasbeen missing among the eaters as of lately
Mr Wright said
July 31, 2006 @ 6:16 am
Kevin who has time to read your long speeches whip out the violins
Rhonda Evans said
July 31, 2006 @ 9:59 am
Past greats versus present greats is fine as long as it is done just out of pure fun, without hanging one’s ego on the outcome. But ambitions or hidden agendas that go deeper than that are bound to result in hurt feelings. And when that happens there are no winners.
Yesterdays heroes should not feel as they have anything to prove. They’ve already proven their talents. And besides, there are other more important things in life than competitive eating. In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter who can out-eat someone else? It’s only a small part of life. Don’t take it so seriously.
Yo Mama said
July 31, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
Don, I do not think this will bring back the “comeraderi” that has been “missing among the eaters as of lately”. Unless you mean among the old school eaters. The new guys do not care if they develop a “comeraderi” or not. They are spread around the country more, for one, but the big reason is the money. That’s the main thing – fly in, win some bucks, and fly back. The old school had to have the “comeraderi” because there was little in the way of prizes so there was more of a feeling of we’re in this together, and they were mainly in New York or the Northeast. I agree with Rhonda – this is a BAD idea to bill it as old vs. new. Nothing good will come of this.
genius? said
July 31, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Have a retirement match. Put something on the line.
“If I, the challenger,__________________, eat less _____________________ in ___ minutes than the challengee, ____________________, I will never eat competitively again.”
Challenger_____________________________
Challengee_____________________________
donmoseslerman said
July 31, 2006 @ 2:48 pm
Rhonda Evans this is Don Lerman speaking I consider myself part of the past present and future of competitive eating champions , the way you put it . it almost sounded as if you have us old timers inthe grave already. I;ll be competing untill I’m 90 yrs old ”ladies and gentlemen 90 yr old DonLerman says if the polygrip holds he’ll have a good day ”
Mr Wright said
July 31, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
Camraderie is defined as togetherness or looking out for your friends back if they get trampled over or taken advantage of in the organization or by another organization. . It also means possibly giving up your seat at the table for a friend. I have yet to see any of that in the IFOCE. Calling one another on the phone is not camraderie Most of the time the phone calls are just one member needing another members ear to bitch to about an injustice that was served upon them
THEFACTIS said
July 31, 2006 @ 7:56 pm
Overall- the world of competitive eating is still obscure (though it’s rapidly growing). These ‘new guys’ are not ‘new school’ because there are others in the world who do not know about the IFOCE who can eat just as well as these newer eaters or even better. The fact is, if you really want to find the real, best, undiscovered talent in competitive eating, you have to dangle a MAJOR CARROT ($25K -$50K prizes) to the masses (and do it regularly) – and then more talent will be discovered that can be even better than was has been found.
Do you really think that there is some average dude out there, going to his job, living his life, who plays better baseball than a major leaguer? If he did- he would be in the Majors making some serious $$.
NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH said
August 1, 2006 @ 12:12 am
You usually see the guys who are on top hanging with others who are on top. The chestnuts , simpsons and janus’s have little time to make small talk with the shitty eaters. Its not that they are being bastards its just human nature. An 8lb eater might associate with a 2lb eater when he first joins the IFOCE because he is new but after they realize the 2lb eater isnt up to par with them they want no part of him. Thats how it is , thats how it always will be.
donmoseslerman said
August 1, 2006 @ 8:39 am
this is Don Lerman that’s not so I had the same friends when I was not doing so great and they were if an 8 lb eater doesn’t want to associate with a 2 lb eater then he has a serious character flaw. because that’s not want friendship is about
Mr. McGraw said
August 1, 2006 @ 9:36 am
Huh??? Having hung out with Janus a bunch of times, I know he doesn’t care how much food his friends on the circuit can eat.
beautifulbrian said
August 1, 2006 @ 9:59 am
The rib challenge is a great idea but there will always be a few that wont look at it as a team effort. Lets say myself, don kevin Larue and Lefevre go against the younger guys. Lefevre eats 6lbs and and the rest of us eat half that amt or less someone will always look at the individual stats . “Hey Lefevre or Shoudt ate so and so and you guys ate shit” . All the eaters would have to eat an equal amt or come close to it , so the critics would shut up. Noone wins.