Poll: Format change for 2007 Wing Bowl?

November 14, 2006 at 12:51 pm by ojrifkin · More posts about:Philadelphia, Wing Bowl, Wing Bowl 15

Angelo Cataldi says that the format for the upcoming Wing Bowl will be changed, and this alteration will benefit local eaters at the expense of out of towners. The new poll asks what change do you think is most likely.

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  1. Rhonda Evans said

    November 14, 2006 @ 1:30 pm

    One possibility is to have two separate contests — one for locals, and another for out of towners/ranked eaters. Contest length could vary. Also there could be separate prize structures for these two groups, with the car and trip reserved for the one-two finishers among the locals.

    Or there could be a hefty entrance fee for ranked eaters to enter, versus no charge for locals.

    The LAST thing would be to weigh the wings, as this would clearly hurt the amateurs. The writing’s on the wall folks, outsiders are probably not long for the Wing Bowl world. (I wish I were able to say. “Who the hell cares!”)

    El Wingador may have to open a used car lot in a few years.

  2. mac dre said

    November 14, 2006 @ 3:13 pm

    those are the worst ideas i have heard. The only thing that would make the wing bowl fans happy, is if Wingador came back to try to win the title back from the evil “outsider”.. This would be great publicity for Wingador’s restaurant.

    Regarding weighing the wings… DON’T BE STUPID, the standard has been set. if they changed the judging method it ruin all the previous records. the current judging method also guarantees that Philly locals will be able to defend the title from outsiders for years to come.

  3. donmoseslerman said

    November 14, 2006 @ 6:20 pm

    I say that if the rules are changed to favor Philly locals and if any ifoce eaters compete ( that is ifoce philly locals) they should be banned from contests outside Philly that are ifoce sanctioned .also the wings should be weighed perhaps real qualifiers instead of stunts

  4. Locust said

    November 14, 2006 @ 7:03 pm

    I don’t know how Joey felt about the subject, but I didn’t get the feeling Angelo and Al welcomed us with open arms when we were there in February. Despite the fact we both broke the previous 30 minute record for number of wings consumed, they did not seem to be too thrilled that no locals stepped up to challenge us. What made the event memorable for me was the way the crowd got behind me and gave me all their support (it took us over 90 minutes to get to our car afterwards). It was a total shock because I am well aware of the fact that they are the toughest fans in the U.S. on enemy invaders and I was mentally prepared for a completely opposite reaction than what I received. Apparently Angelo and Al missed the connection or were turned off by the positive response I got because they showed little interest in talking with me afterwards. I also got a chilly reception from the office employees about taking the trip I had won for finishing second and the date I requested was not granted because they claimed it was already sold out (I wanted to go the following Monday after the Atlantic City meatball contest so we could kill two birds with one stone) and I had gotten my request in at the earliest possible date. As a result, the trip will probably end up being forfeited if they can’t meet my 1/22/07 request.
    If they want to turn it into an amateur contest, that’s fine with me because I won’t be back and I don’t think any of the other top eaters should do it either unless they change their attitude (which appears highly unlikely as they choose to treat it like a freak show) and not a serious competition.

  5. Anonymous said

    November 14, 2006 @ 7:18 pm

    I agree with Don 100%. Lets not limit this to Wing Bowl though. If an IFOCE person competes in an event that is not open to all, then they should be banned from all IFOCE events outside that area.

    Therefore I for one will be the first to say that anyone who has competed in the Nathan’s Civil Service Qualifier should not only be banned from all other IFOCE events permanently, but they should also be stripped of any awards that they won after that contest. They should give back all awards and they should be distributed to the proper winners.

    Lets get this done by 12/1/06. Don, you are just the man to head this up. Thank you for bringing this to everyones attention.

  6. Philly Guy said

    November 14, 2006 @ 9:37 pm

    So if a Philly eater does wing bowl they’d still be able to qualify for nathan’s. That sounds good.

  7. donmoseslerman said

    November 14, 2006 @ 10:07 pm

    no thats wrong if they compete at the wing bowl there . done , but thats not up to me to make the final decsion a s far as the cival sevice goes on nathans at one time if I’m not mistaken nathans was only done in new york .n.j. and yonkers it had a limited range as were the qualifiers were held , but thats a good point too ..Don Lerman

  8. Philly Guy said

    November 15, 2006 @ 6:46 am

    Lerman how about an asterix next to every contest where you have to be 21 to compete. There are 3 years of active eaters that are banned. It’d make about as much sense as these crackpot ideas.

  9. Bruiser says said

    November 15, 2006 @ 8:31 am

    My opinion only

    IFOCE ban of the Wing Bowl.

    Lets draw a line and not cross it!

  10. Anonymous said

    November 15, 2006 @ 9:26 am

    Bruiser how about a ban of another evetn, nathans hotdog contest. There is no prise money in that contet. at least in wing bowl their is prises.

  11. The Prophet said (Registered April 18, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 10:41 am

    At least when a person wins Nathans it has nothing to do witht he whim of a couple of radio DJs. The Wing Bowl has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with the marketability of the competitor. Marketability of the eater plays a big role in the IFOCE also, but at least the Sheas take what they’re given and run with it rather than creating what they want from nothing.

  12. LadyLenore said (Registered August 14, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 11:23 am

    The Wing Bowl is nothing more than an opportunity for several thousand people to start drinking at 4:00 in the morning and make @$$es of themselves on local TV all day. And of course, it gives the local strippers a chance to market their wares, too. Because that’s SO intrinsic to eating wings in competition.

    You realize it’s Philadelphia – nothing that the eaters say or do will make a difference. I would go so far as to say that even if the IFOCE were to boycott, it wouldn’t change the event one iota except that the drunks will have to cheer for some local, and it doesn’t matter to them who’s up there. Hell, next thing you know, we’ll be watching a movie about a tortured young man whose only dream was to win the wing bowl. Move over, Rocky and Vince Papale.

  13. Steakbellie said (Registered August 11, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 12:26 pm

    LadyLenore,
    They are already making that movie. Crowd shots were filmed last WingBowl and a script is being worked on now. Only dream is to win the WingBowl? Yeah that’s me.

    Everybody Else,

    I think that they should be able to make up their own rules if they want, the world doesnt have to conform to us. I’ll be hurt if I’m excluded, but thems the breaks, to have the IFOCE ban WingBowl is silly, WIP doesnt need us for their show and wont even notice we’re gone.

    Some of the caveats the eaters should be aware of is that the wing eating is subjective. Other than the Sonya instances, I think most of the complaints about favoritism are actually cases of incompetent record keeping. It’s absolute pandamonium up there and whole plates of wings are cleared off the table without ever being tabulated. It’s the responsibility of the EATER to make sure each plate gets counted.

    If you dont like the rules, the party, the insanity, dont try out. It’s clearly not for everybody….but dont try to tell me what I can and cant do….thats un American.

  14. Rhonda Evans said

    November 15, 2006 @ 12:46 pm

    Wing Bowl is Philly-owned, Philly-biased, and Philly-centered fun and debauchery for fans and participants. They’re’s no guarantee that even Koby would win that event if he participated (except they might let him win the first time, just to mix things up.) Probably 4 or 5 dozen of his wings would be discounted for whatever reason, or he would be outright disqualified (as was Booker in 2005), in order to ensure that he wouldn’t defeat the local hero.

    I think the IFOCE (organization and eaters) lowers itself when it links to that event. For MLE is but a figurehead (a Queen Elizabeth, if you will) with no power in deciding rules or the outcome. It’s really sad in that regard.

  15. Rhonda Evans said

    November 15, 2006 @ 12:53 pm

    I feel for you Steak. You have a valid point. It is loads of fun for most, yet it’s not for everybody. (If I were a man I would fight just for the right to attend!) (Hell, maybe I will anyway.)

    I think that the IFOCE should not automatically dicatate that their eaters can’t go, but I also think that they should not associate themselves with a noncompetitive eating event — Wing Bowl.

    I also think that ANYONE should be able to participate, to include AICE-affilliated eaters — Chapman, Coonie, Invader, anyone!.

  16. Philly Guy said

    November 15, 2006 @ 12:58 pm

    Lets just remember an IFOCE sponsored wing event not too long ago where eaters were just taking small bites and wasting tons of wings, while other eaters that spent money to get there were denied more wings. Seems a bit suggestive that the top 3 eaters kept getting refills while others didn’t . What is everyone’s beef with drinking and strippers anyway?

  17. Bruiser says said

    November 15, 2006 @ 1:21 pm

    Cataldi makes our Sport look like a circus act.

    This is the only contest that makes this happens.Nathans is the most respected stage in Competitive Eating and Wip is the complete oppisite.

    I really hope all IFOCE Eaters think about this and stick together One way or another.My opinion is Cataldi ia a ASS and the WING Bowl is the biggest Circus act on the Planet.

  18. Bruiser says said

    November 15, 2006 @ 1:25 pm

    I don’t think Kobe would steep so low to do this Circus act.

    The IFOCE Eaters have built respect Global and to participate in this is in my opinion and I repeat this is only my own opinion is a disgrace.

  19. donmoseslerman said

    November 15, 2006 @ 1:58 pm

    The last wing bowl that I did 2 yrs. ago , my name was omitted fromthe list given to securityand I was not granted entry to the arena I drove sround for 11/2 hrs and had to find someway to get in I had a cast on my foot and was walking in the slush and the muck and meyerfor 45 mins . after finaly getting in I was quickly ushered on stage and was hit ( pumeled ) with coins and beer cains also were my wingettes my onterage that i flew in from out of state and put up i n a hotel was dedine entry to to center and missed the event. there was no apolagee from noone at wip

  20. LadyLenore said (Registered August 14, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 2:14 pm

    Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something…

    Steakbellie, why would you be disqualified? Are we talking that only residents of the CITY would be allowed to participate? That would be tragic.

    I truly understand your desire to win, BELIEVE me. (I’m engaged to a competitive eater – I’ve seen that movie, too!) And I truly hope you get that chance. I’m just not thrilled with the venue, the stunts that one has to perform to qualify, etc. It’s not like any other eating event I’ve been to, and perhaps that’s why it disturbs me so much. There don’t seem to be many rules, and apparently, what few there are get changed because some DJ on a sports radio station dreamed it that way. But hey – perhaps that’s the allure that I’m missing. Who’s to say?

    I’m just saying that no matter what the IFOCE does, the event’s not going to change. Rhonda’s right.

  21. Steakbellie said (Registered August 11, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 2:31 pm

    WIP has announced that they will be changing some things about the contest this year, and there is speculation that it will be to limit the contest to only those in the listening area or perhaps to ban all pros.

    It is a very different type of contest and you are completely reliant on the whims of the radio personalities. That being said, I describe it as a fusion of Mardi Gras and the Mummers Parade.

  22. Anonymous said

    November 15, 2006 @ 2:47 pm

    It would be hadr to make this a philladelphia contst only bcause in the past very few philladelphia people have win it. wingydor is from new jersy

    bruisr nathans is not the most respectd stage in eating but it is a top one

    i say we need to take this won step furthur. any contest in the future we should ban all of the locals if they dont sit out of th contest. its not fare they get to travel so close it gives them a unfare advantage

    pg suggestive? or rationilition

  23. Rhonda Evans said

    November 15, 2006 @ 3:22 pm

    By the way, the year Sonya won Wing Bowl, 2004, I think it was decided from the outset that she would win in a close contest. I honestly believe she would have won anyway. In 2005, on the other hand, Sonya SHOULD have won, but it was decided beforehand that Wingador would become the “Rocky” -like figure and win the crown. I don’t blame Wingador at all. But it was again total bullshit.

    And when the judges saw that Eric was a big threat to the preconceived skit, it was as if the organizers / judges said, “My God, This monster will screw up the whole thing. Let’s DQ him.”

    Joey legitimately won it last year, and he was “allowed” to do so, because 1) he set a new record and 2) it was his first. But if somehow Joey was able to enter this year, I doubt he would be allowed to win, no matter how many wings he will have eaten.

    Like “The Prophet” says, marketability is a major driver here and, while Joey is currently the greatest American eater, he’s not much of a crowd or media pleaser. Many lesser ranked eaters are MUCH more marketable, to include Crazy Legs, Pat B, Dale Boone, Booker (even retired), Eater X, Sonya, and, of course, Koby (even if he can’t speak English).

  24. Tim said

    November 15, 2006 @ 4:27 pm

    Let’s not talk about Wing Bowl anymore. Let’s talk about what’s really bothering us. Rhonda, you go first.

  25. Steakbellie said (Registered August 11, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

    I’m afraid that if I get the vasectomy my wife wont find me attractive anymore.

    I’m terrified of outliving my kids.

    I’m scared everone will realize I’m a fraud, and they will point and laugh.

    Two or three times a day I am compelled to look down to be sure I remembered to wear pants.

  26. Bob said (Registered February 25, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 8:59 pm

    Rhonda,

    I am hurt that you would not consider me marketable in my hometown, ouch. LOL

    As a local, a fan, a competitor in 2005 and an entourage member in 2006 I have my own opinions of the event. Some have been mentioned already and others have not.

    I think the best analogy that my very small brain can come up with is scrapple. A lot of this country has never even heard of scrapple. In parts of PA it is huge. When first timers find out about the ingredients, they are put off by it. OK maybe this isn’t the best analogy. Or how about the Mummers Parade? OK skip the analogies.

    People in Philly love Wing Bowl. Not everyone, just a lot of the 610 WIP fans. They love why it was created and what it represents. They are diehard Wing Bowl fans. They go for many reasons, with the contest be just one of many.

    I remember wearing my IFOCE shirt in 2005 at the after-parties. Tons of people recognized me and about half of them offered their best curse words to me. If I had been a “local” (non IFOCE) eater, they word have been buying me beers instead. That is just the way it is.

    The contest does offer its own challenges, no doubt about that. I can say that I was getting showered with coins on stage in ’05 and that does not happen at other contests.

    Bottom line it is their contest. They are going to make their own rules, that is that. I do not think that they have a meeting beforehand to determine the top finishers though. I know for a fact that I was the most hyped eater in the history of the contest in ’05. Everyone morning they would talk about me and how I was going to win and make El Wingador look bad. They even heckled Cookie during his qualifying stunt. You can hear Badlands asking who is this Humble Bob guy? I appreciated the hype but I did not make it out of the first round. I was right on the cutoff and they did not sway the count for me.

    I will do whatever I can to get into this contest as this means the most to me – after Krystals of course. For those that are not from here, I can only offer this advice (this is not meant in a negative way). “It is a Philly thing, you wouldn’t understand.”

  27. HUMANVACUUM said (Registered November 16, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 10:43 pm

    If WIP/PHILLY wants a more competitive wing bowl then it should be open to ALL eaters. The wings should be counted AND weighed with the highest weight being the winner. There should also be seperate prize packs for the “pros” and the “amatuers”. It is a great environment for a great contest, why limit entry; therefore limiting the competitive nature of the event. One of these days WIP and the rest of the competitive eating fans/sponsors will realize that the IFOCE does NOT have all of the best eaters.

    I think the rule against AICE eaters competing will or at least should be abolished. This is a free country. Why does contract status with the IFOCE supposedly make you a better wing eater? Hell if membership makes you a better wing eater then I would most assuredly be able to topple Chestnut and any other established wing eater the IFOCE has under contract…….. if I signed. Sign me up!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!! I will continue to be satisfied knowing that I am considered one of the best wing eaters in America. I will continue to compete whenever and where ever I please AND be compensated for my valuable time.

    Whatever the rule change(s) is/are I wish everyone who participates a fun, competitive and safe eat. No matter what organization we are a part of we are all competitiveeaters. We know the hell we go through to win or at least compete in contests. We are a special breed. I will never lose sight of that. Hope to see yall at a table soon.

  28. Philly Guy said

    November 15, 2006 @ 11:03 pm

    Didn’t you get third in the last wing bowl you were in. I know you swallowed part of your tounge and I’m not hating. I’ll most likely meet you in 2 months and I don’t want you to be pissed at me, but Chestnut is only to be compaired to one other eater… for now.

  29. HUMANVACUUM said (Registered November 16, 2006)

    November 15, 2006 @ 11:17 pm

    I am no hater so don’t worry. The Chestnut comment was a POKE at the IFOCE’s contract……not Chestnut or any other eater. I have learned to never go to a table and think that I am a shoe in. I was beaten by two amateurs in one of my wing bowl qualifiers because I had that attitude. I do NOT feel that I am the second coming of Kobiashi. Never will.

    BTW – yeah tongue freakin’ HURT!!!! Bled like hell too! Never got back on track after that. On a positive note Chris Spielman was definitely digging it! It was aired live and he was definitely a vac backer during and after the contest. Wish I could say he spotted me some OSU vs. scUM tickets for toughing it out but that is not the case. I will be watching the game at a casino in Niagara.

    look forward to meeting whoever you are. Drop me a line at the AICE website. I won’t give away your identity.

  30. anonymous said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:42 am

    donmoseslerman said,
    November 15, 2006 @ 1:58 pm

    The last wing bowl that I did 2 yrs. ago , my name was omitted fromthe list given to securityand I was not granted entry to the arena I drove sround for 11/2 hrs and had to find someway to get in I had a cast on my foot and was walking in the slush and the muck and meyerfor 45 mins . after finaly getting in I was quickly ushered on stage and was hit ( pumeled ) with coins and beer cains also were my wingettes my onterage that i flew in from out of state and put up i n a hotel was dedine entry to to center and missed the event. there was no apolagee from noone at wip

    LERMAN WHEN YOU STOP WHINING PEOPLE MIGHT TAKE YOU SERIOUS. DO YOU EVER EVER TALK ABOUT ANYONE BUT YOURSELF AND HOW YOU HAVE BEEN SCREWED ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE GET SICK OF HEARING THE SAME BULLSHIT FROM YOU DAY IN AND DAY OUT. WHAT ENTOURAGE DID YOU FLY IN ? . FROM WHAT I REMEMBER IT WAS JUST YOUR NEPHEW

  31. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 7:17 am

    Hi Bob,

    Please don’t take that as a slight against you. I was talking MLE, in general. Philly fans are certainly most supportive of you, I can tell from WB XII.

  32. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 7:21 am

    Tim this is a Wing Bowl thread. If OJ starts an appropriately titled thread some folks might address their innermost thoughts. But you’ve said less than most everyone else, so perhaps it’s you that needs to begin, and do most of, the venting.

  33. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 8:23 am

    HumanVacuum,

    There is NO WAY any IFOCE eater will ever “drop you a line” at the AICE Web site. You’re joking, right?

    And don’t worry, I don’t thing any eater would even give a thought to the notion that you might be Koby’s second coming. You’re quite safe there.

    And you’re certainly in the right organization. Enjoy your freedom.

  34. Tim said

    November 16, 2006 @ 11:13 am

    Rhonda, no rush here. You can us what’s bothering you when you’re ready. Steakbellie was ready. Others won’t be.

    Maybe Super Paul would like to talk about his feelings. Super Paul?

  35. HUMANVACUUM said (Registered November 16, 2006)

    November 16, 2006 @ 11:38 am

    Rhonda,

    You would be very suprised at how many IFOCE eaters do contact AICE and people associated with us. I don’t know who you are but that comment sounds alot like you are some part of the IFOCE. If the IFOCE really thinks that their eaters don’t contact AICE then maybe they should rethink how they treat the people who make the IFOCE possible. Without great eaters there would be no attraction to competitive eating. WIP limits itself by not allowing all the eating talent it can possibly get into the wing bowl.

    I WASN’T worried about the KOBI comment. It was implied that I thought I could beat Chestnut, which isn’t the case. That is why the KOBI correlation/statement was made.

    Yes, I am with the right organization. One that allows me my freedoms as an American. One that allows all its members input on events. One that allows ANYONE to eat at its tables. The Sheas are smart about not allowing AICE eaters to participate in their events. A defeat at the hands of an AICE eater would def. be a humbling experience for them. They aren’t willing to take that chance. When and if the time comes for AICE and IFOCE eaters to sit at the same table it will be a great day.

    Not saying that IFOCE doesn’t have great eaters but AICE’s picnic style rules makes the eaters tougher than hell down the stretch when they eat in contest without picnic style rules. When they do face off it will be entertaining for all.

  36. anonymous said

    November 16, 2006 @ 11:40 am

    This Rhonda Evans seems to have a ton of shit to say and has a hell of alot of info as well. She also appears to be pro sonya and anti joey most of the time. You have to wonder if thats her real name or his real name or if it isnt someone we all know in the IFOCE I would bet that Rhonda Evans is not simply just a fan of competitive eating that lives in DC or VA .

  37. TBK said

    November 16, 2006 @ 11:51 am

    Rhonda, come on….. are you that big of a meanie? (using discretion here)

    What did Human Vacuum ever do to you? You’ve finally revealed yourself as an old-school IFOCE, “hate everything AICE” type person. That’s long gone, with the exception of a few…. a very few.
    Hell, even Brian Seiken has had nice things to say about AICE eaters.
    How dare somone look past organizational boundaries!
    Do you hate all the IFOCE guys who post on my blog, too?
    We’re all competitive eaters and know what each other go through to do what we do, organizations be damned!

  38. Bob said (Registered February 25, 2006)

    November 16, 2006 @ 11:52 am

    Tim,

    I hope you don’t mind me jumping in here with what is bothering me, but I am ready now. Here goes:

    1) I am extremely troubled that no top ranked Competitve Eater has been considered for the Dancing with the Stars show. Not taking anything away from Emmitt Smith, but everyone knows that I can really move on the dance floor. There is also another top ranked eater that proved he knows how to dance after Krystals. Is it that we are too good?

    2) How come everytime I leave my umbrella in the car it rains. I could carry an umbrella for 3 months and it would never rain.

    3) Why is there such a big price difference between a small cup of hot tea and a large cup of hot tea? It is not like th large is so big that you need 2 tea bags.

    4) How come 7/11 has 24 different sodas in their fountain yet they do not have my favorite kind?

  39. Tim said

    November 16, 2006 @ 12:06 pm

    Bob, thank you for sharing.

    The 7-11 thing has bothered me too. The umbrellas, not so much. In New York City, many of our newest residents earn their living at least in part by selling umbrellas when it rains. Within a second of the first raindrop hitting the ground, our corners are teeming with umbrella vendors. And they only charge you $3 per umbrella.

    Pat B., would you like to share now?

  40. You said

    November 16, 2006 @ 12:30 pm

    Rhonda is Boone?

  41. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 12:52 pm

    You, you got me. I am Dale B-0-0-0-0-N–E! You are truly psychic!

  42. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:05 pm

    TBK, you’re taking my comments totally out of context. I respond according to what I perceive others are saying. Sometimes I miss the point. Often I’m very astute. Who said anything about hate? Only you. Not me. AICE is fine, IFOCE is fine, I don’t care.

    On Nov 15 at 12:53 on this thread I wrote, ” I also think that ANYONE should be able to participate, to include AICE-affilliated eaters — Chapman, Coonie, Invader, anyone!”

    Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

  43. Liz said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:13 pm

    Tim,
    I told Kate that a group of eaters should represent on the new show “1 vs. 100” and she didn’t even write back. Maybe I’m full of bad ideas; or maybe that show will be canceled before anyone sees it..

    I spent all my time in NY perfecting recipes, and now they’re all worthless in the high altitude. Have you ever tried baking a cake at 5280 feet? It sinks, Tim, it sinks.

    Also water takes forever to boil.

  44. Johnny B said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:15 pm

    To the human vaccum. I don’t think that the aice eaters would excel in a picnic style contest against the feds. The picnic rules allow the eaters an excuse for low totals. I don’t think anyone in the top 10 would lose to menshitty or any aice eaters in a contest. I’m not talking about the 1 minute sprints or bullshit contests like that. I have to give the aice credit, they write the rules to the weakness of the eaters. Short sprints, where no capacity is needed. Big deal, everyone knows the first 2 minutes are 100% easier than the last 2 minutes, but if you only eat for 2 minutes there is no challange or mental fortitude necissary. We all know the greatness that has jumped ship to aice, adam the bomb was a loss that most ifoce eaters could not deal with. Come off your high horse, you would get your ass beat by anyone in the top ten if not top 20.

  45. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:17 pm

    OK Tim, here’s what’s bothering me. You’ve heard of a “Man of the Cloth.” Well, I’m a woman ON the “cloth.”

    More than my heart bleeds for you …

    There you go.

  46. Pat Bertoletti said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:26 pm

    Whats the deal with airplane food. And those razer slots in the airplane bathroom, are people actually shaving in there? Instead of voicing my displeasure I would rather share some wisdom from the great jack handy.
    As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness about it that was very pleasurable – until I realized it wasn’t a nectarine at all, but A HUMAN HEAD
    If you ever teach a yodeling class, probably the hardest thing is to keep the students from just trying to yodel right off. You see, we build to that
    If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you’ll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy
    If you go parachuting, and your parachute doesn’t open, and you friends are all watching you fall, I think a funny gag would be to pretend you were swimming

  47. Pat Bertoletti said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:29 pm

    A few more deep thoughts
    I think a good gift for the President would be a chocolate revolver. and since he is so busy, you’d probably have to run up to him real quick and give it to him

    A funny thing to do is, if you’re out hiking and your friend gets bitten by a poisonous snake, tell him you’re going to go for help, then go about ten feet and pretend that *you* got bit by a snake. Then start an argument with him about who’s going to go get help. A lot of guys will start crying. That’s why it makes you feel good when you tell them it was just a joke.

  48. Liz said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:31 pm

    Wow, if there was ever evidence that Rhonda is not really a woman, there it is. That is SUCH a dude response.

  49. anonymous said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:31 pm

    Tim why dont you stop beating around the bush with the 711 crap and for once in your life stop being so nice with the fifth degree neutral attitude and let us know who pisses you the hell off in the aice or ifoce. Aside from that your trivial comments are boring

  50. DALE BOONE said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

    LOL

    nope !

    But I know who she is

    I and her know

    `as far as WING BOWL

    keep it as same as last year

    FIRST TIMERS ONLY

    geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    IF we did that ???

    who be left to do it ???//

    Take a guess

  51. Rufus said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:53 pm

    Rhonda may be a man Liz. But I can say that I have met a few women made from the same mold. She seems to hold nothing back I’ll say that. At least you know how she or he feels.

  52. Tim said

    November 16, 2006 @ 1:56 pm

    Anonymous, I’m just moderating the group therapy. It wouldn’t appropriate for me to share my own problems. It would undermine my role as an authority figure.

  53. Tim said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:08 pm

    Liz, I’m confused. Water should boil at a lower temperature at high altitudes. Shouldn’t it boil faster?

    I like the “1 vs. 100” idea.

  54. Rufus said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:09 pm

    I sure hope the Tim in the above responses aint janus. I expect more from him.

  55. anonymous said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:10 pm

    DALE BOONE said,
    November 16, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

    LOL

    nope !

    But I know who she is

    I and her know

    `as far as WING BOWL

    keep it as same as last year

    FIRST TIMERS ONLY

    geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    IF we did that ???

    who be left to do it ???//

    Take a guess

    OH BOY THE ILLITERATE RETARD IS BACK

  56. Anonymous said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:21 pm

    Boone

    That

    would

    leave

    4

    eaters

    ranked ahead

    of you in

    the IFOCE

    and about

    30 other IFOCE

    eaters that

    are better

    then you

  57. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:28 pm

    Johnny B you are a pretty smart guy. There’s a lot of truth in what you say.

  58. Superpaul said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:29 pm

    I was voted best dancer in my senior class, so the “Dancing with the Stars” snub really hurt, almost as much as the Thanksgiving contest snub.

    What’s really bothering me is the 11th snub I’ve gotten from “Survivor”…I think they are afraid I would eat all the rats on the island, and maybe the people, too..

  59. Liz said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:36 pm

    Tim, you are right. The water boils at a lower temperature, so while it boils okay, it takes forever to cook anything. In order to make rice, for instance, I have to add more water and cook it for longer than you have to at sea level.

  60. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:55 pm

    Super Paul I think if you went to that Turkey contest that bird would be so scared he’d reanimate himself and run out of the place. I also didn’t agree with that Dancin with the Stars snub.

  61. Confuscious said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:57 pm

    Aa high above sea lever water begin to boir at rower tempelature than at sea lever. So when water boir at high artitudes it is much ress than 212 deglees farenheit. At sea lever it boils at 212 therefore boiring water at high artitudes is not as hot as boiring water at sea lever.

  62. Confuscious said

    November 16, 2006 @ 2:59 pm

    That why it take rong time to cook lice

  63. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 3:02 pm

    Anony I am not anti-Joey, talent-wise. I give him full credit. He is currently the greatest American eater. He just needs to remember where he comes from, because he often comes across as an ingrate, whether he knows it or not. I’m sure this shitty attitude will dissipate with time, however, so I give him the benefit of the doubt.

  64. Rhonda Evans said

    November 16, 2006 @ 3:06 pm

    Damn this thread is long. OJ start a new one please. Thank you, and thanks for all you do!

  65. Anonymous said

    November 16, 2006 @ 3:11 pm

    liz, it is in the works. the show has assembled a group of eaters for vs. 100. it includes many “top” eaters.

  66. Liz said

    November 16, 2006 @ 3:18 pm

    REALLY?!?

  67. Anonymous said

    November 16, 2006 @ 3:23 pm

    1 vs 100 will have all of the “top” eaters that are available for all of the ifoce pr work i have been told. the only exception will be some local eaters in ca where it is filmed. i will let you guess who is getting flown out to ca from the east coast. i know my guesses. take a look at the nathans 2006 telececast. if you wernt featured, word is you aint going to ca. i guess they knew i wouldnt be able to make it so they saved the time and didnt ask me

  68. Liz said

    November 16, 2006 @ 3:42 pm

    Awesome. Maybe I should write to Kate and ask for a new car or something next.

  69. You said

    November 16, 2006 @ 3:45 pm

    Liz I have some land in FL to sell you, and a bridge in the NYC area

  70. HUMANVACUUM said (Registered November 16, 2006)

    November 16, 2006 @ 5:17 pm

    Seems that everyone is missing the obvious on my first post, i.e. the contest would be better if everyone who could qualify was allowed to compete. No Bullshit or Hype coming from me. I am NOT an IFOCE hater much to Chapman and Coondog’s chagrin. I was never wronged in the few contests I competed in. Seems that everyone wants to jump on a wagon and start slinging shit in any direction they can get it to fly. So here is MY fling……

    Obviously people are NOT looking at AICE’s tallies. AICE eaters have beaten a few IFOCE records since our inception. THAT can NOT be disputed. Sure I have had a few crappy eats. I am human, not KOBI. I know that when I eat well I can beat any eater outside IFOCE’s top ten and SOME members of their top ten. Menchetti, Hickman, Gilbert and a couple of our rookies with raw talent can do the same. Chapman KILLED Cookie’s pickle record. Chapman has never beaten me.(sorry man)lol I have come in second to 2 world records in the last year by very small amounts. So think again before you discount my eating ability.

    Don’t talk shit about my abilities unless you have sat at a table with me.

    Anyone who knows me will tell you I call it straight, no matter the situation. If you expect to talk shit about me then your own shit straight. So before anyone considers throwing some trash back my way about my comments, do some research. Don’t post crap if you are totally uninformed, it only makes you look ignorant to those who know better. THAT IS AS STRAIGHT AS I CAN CALL IT.

    ONCE AGAIN WE ARE ALL EATERS. Some of you may lose sight of that but I will not.

  71. JohnnyB said

    November 16, 2006 @ 9:03 pm

    There’s a reason you are in aice, you use the freedom thing as an excuse for not being able to compete at the feds level. What foods did you compete in and what were your totals? You are not into ifoce bashing but you use rudimentary chapman math to compare contests from different venues and different times. Ask menchetti if you can compare the totals from different contests. Projections are stupid and comparing totals is useless. Comparing what chapman did in pickles to cookies totals is not valid. I tip my hat to chapman if he did break the record, but how many years ago was that? Cookie would do more now, and the totals would be elevated, there is a new talent inflation of totals every year. It’s like when chapman or menchetti claim to have beaten top ten eaters of the ifoce. Yeah, they did but those eaters were ranked barely in the top 50. It’s like saying you kicked mike tysons ass in his first ever sparing match. Big deal, you beat someone before they were figured out how to push themselves and developed into a top 10 eater.

  72. HUMANVACUUM said (Registered November 16, 2006)

    November 16, 2006 @ 10:42 pm

    Did I have to call you out by name Johnny B. Like I said you are ignorant. Don’t sit there and tell someone they are shit when you don’t know what you are talking about. Cops don’t go into a house and just start shooting in the dark for no reason. Neither should you.

    BTW – Joe and I HAVE discussed those issues. It is a hard thing to compare due to food qualities and other variables.

    News flash! Chapman broke the record this year and in more than a minute less of time. So tell me about the curve now.

    AND …………I HAVE figured out how to push myself to one of the upper levels of this.

    remember to do your homework before class johnny.

    later

    vac

  73. Anonymous said

    November 17, 2006 @ 12:20 am

    I HAVE TO AGREE WITH VAC ON THIS. CHAPMAN IS BETTER THEN COOKIE. JUST LOOK AT HOW SOME REPEAT CONTESTS HAVE FARED.

    BARRICK BURGER – 2006 CRUSHED 2005 RECORD
    CRAB CAKES – 2006 CRUSHED 2005 RECORD
    NATHANS – 6 AMERICANS 30 OR MORE, UNHEARD OF
    BRATS – 5 PEOPLE BROKE LAST YEARS RECORD
    KRYSTALS – RECORD WAS SMASHED

    VAC YOU ARE SO RIGHT, YOU CAN TAKE ANY RECORD FROM YEARS AGO AND IF YOU BREAK IT THEN YOU ARE TEN TIMES BETTER THEN THE PREVIOUS RECORD HOLDER.

    GET A BRAIN CELL VAC, ALL RECORDS ARE GETTING SMASHED ACROSS THE BOARD.

    BY THE WAY, JOHNIE B HAS SAID ON ANOTHER SITE THAT IF HE DOES NOT GET RANKED THE NEXT TIME THE IFOCE UPDATES, THEN HE IS JUMPING SHIP TO THE AICE. HE KNOWS THAT HE CAN BE NUMBER ONE THERE.

  74. beautifulbrian said

    November 17, 2006 @ 4:07 am

    Jarvis would have waxed chapmans ass in the 2006 pickle contest and i had high hopes of putting up big numbers because i had very good undisclosed practices. We all agreed not to compete with with the exception of Kevin because we learned our lesson the last time out in 2004 and paid the price being mocked and humiliated on chapmans website along with the fact that sitting at the same table with the aice would be a tremendous conflict of interest . Notice how the aice has calmed down and is not that anxious anymore to compete against the IFOCE. They quickly back off when the names chestnut , bertoletti, shoudt simpson and company are mentioned because they know what the eventual ouctome will be. Secod best thing is to go after a retired Ed Jarvis’s pickle record from 2004 and use that as a comparison. Very weak if i may add. On a side note for those of you that think i am a washed up pathetic has been of an eater remember that you had to win something or have a name in the past in order for people to respect your website or to even put together a competitive eating internet tv show. In defense of Ed Jarvis who has very little time to defend himself on this site because he has bigger fish to fry, on a 3/4 full or totally full stomach a retired Jarvis would destroy the best eaters the aice puts on the table as i speak.

  75. TBK said

    November 17, 2006 @ 7:52 am

    HA!

  76. Rhonda Evans said

    November 17, 2006 @ 8:46 am

    Anony given the IFOCE eaters’ performances over the last 12 months, breaking a record set over 12 months ago is commonplace. Hell, probably 20 IFOCE eaters could beat that damned pickle record that Cookie set an eon ago, and at least a half dozen eaters would probably double that total.

  77. bird said

    November 17, 2006 @ 9:48 am

    What if ESPN wanted wing bowl???

  78. THE TRUTH HURTS said

    November 17, 2006 @ 10:11 am

    try eating 3lbs of pickles think its easy?

  79. Rhonda Evans said

    November 17, 2006 @ 11:02 am

    Easy is relative. It’s less difficult for the best eaters. Eating 2 dozen or more Hot dogs in 12 minutes is a helluva lot more difficult, yet there are at least a dozen eaters who can do that.

  80. Rhonda Evans said

    November 17, 2006 @ 11:07 am

    Bird ESPN covers sports (with the exception of Poker, which is a GAME. Wing Bowl is not a sport. It’s not even a pseudo sport. It’s also TOO politically incorrect, with all the drinking, nudity, debauchery, etc.

  81. Pickle fan said

    November 17, 2006 @ 11:21 am

    Rhonda ask anyone that has competed in pickles including seiken, lipsitz jarvis chapman and they will tell you it is a struggle to get to the 3lb mark in a 5 min contest and nearly impossible to eat 4lbs. If the new eaters can accomplish that feat more power to them but it wont be easy . Remember we are talking sour garlic not kosher dills which are much easier even though the taste is horrible. Pickles are pure salt(sodium) and water where hot dogs have loads of sodium but the beef content helps to alleviate some of the salt

  82. HUMANVACUUM said (Registered November 16, 2006)

    November 17, 2006 @ 11:53 am

    I don’t EVER recall ANYONE from AICE saying they could beat the people that you listed. Chestnut has dominated the US competitive eating scene. AICE doesn’t possess the arrogance required to say we have an eater that can beat Chestnut. All the eaters you mentioned are TOTAL BADASSES at the table. NO QUESTION. BTW this is not what you called “backing off”, it is called respect. The people you mentioned deserve it.

    Johnny B isn’t ranked by IFOCE but thinks he would be number 1 at AICE? I can only assume it is Boone but I have been wrong before. I still would look forward to seeing who ever he is sitting at an AICE table. Yes records are getting smashed by both organizations so discounting the abilities of AICE eaters is nothing more than a lack of respect for AICE. I understand that and that was what I was addressing. Try using your brain cell. I use mine but only when the other one I have left gets tired.

    BB it sounds like you are discounting Cookies record. You actually think that you had a legitimate shot at beating his old record. No disrespect here (although u deserve it for basically stomping on one of the great pioneers of competitive eatings name), you never have been and never will be the eater Jarvis was and still is. I know you won ONE event but your lack of consistency leads me to think that the stars just happened to be in perfect alignment for you on that particular day. One win years ago does not make you a true champion. Everyone knows that that is your only claim to ANYTHING regarding competitive eating or your life accomplishments for that matter. So don’t stand on your soapbox and preach to everyone how great of an eater you are. You should be ashamed of yourself. We all know that Jarvis is one of the best capacity eaters to ever compete. Who knows what he could have done when he was in his prime. I respect his decision to retire (I assume it was health related issues), it had to be a tough thing to do. You should skulk off in shame for your remarks BB.

    I hope ESPN does cover wing bowl. The more exposure competitive eating gets the better.

    Good Eats!

    vac

  83. Deep Throat said (Registered November 17, 2006)

    November 17, 2006 @ 12:11 pm

    the vac posted this:

    Chapman KILLED Cookie’s pickle record (I didn’t want to copy the whole thing as it is a long comment)

    My suggestion to you is submit the amount he ate to oj and ask that he update the results he has in his database. The current results have Chapman eating less in 2006 then Cookie did in 2004. I know that Chapman disputes the length of time he did it in. However it is generally accepted that if you do not have good footage of both events (2006 and 2004), then you can not say how long either event was.

    I may be very wrong, but I can not find an event where the AICE total was higher then the IFOCE total. Very few times do they compete in the same food/length of time. Off of the top of my head I can think of The Corner Bar chili dogs and the burritos in Long Island.

    This is not meant to be a slam on the AICE eaters. At this time it is very hard for me to see any of them beating Chestnut, Bertoletti, Thomas, Shoudt, Simpson, Janus and LeFevre. But it is so very hard to compare them as the contests are vastly different.

    Cheers

  84. beautifulbrian said

    November 17, 2006 @ 1:07 pm

    Mr Vacuum cleaner i dont even know you .I’ve heard about you and from what i gather you are a pretty decent eater in certain food categories. For you to take cheap shots at me considering i never uttered your name in a bad light in this forum is a low blow on your end. I have a good idea who Johnny B is (not me) but i wont reveal his identity. I will say he is a top ten eater in the IFOCE and for you to compare or even think he is Dale Boone is an insult to anyone’s intelligence. Boone cannot even spell let alone type three words without one of them being misspelled. As far as Cookie;s record stop putting words in my mouth and read what i said . I stated i had some good practices in pickles , whether i would have beaten Cookie remains to be seen but i beat him as well as other great eaters on one occasion which is more than i can say for your so called leader who never beat him PERIOD! For someone that doesn’t even know me you got alot of balls to come out and say that my only accomplishment in life is a pickle title. i wont even address that assinine remark with a response coming from someone with your type of mentality .May i ask what your accomplishments in life have entailed besides a promotion to head of marketing and research in a joke of an organization called the aice? What are you researching ? How to eat more than your personal best of 13 hot dogs & buns? To steal a quote from Badlands, “ya must be eating too much of that puppy chow because your BB bashing sound alot like your rabbi chowhound chapman. As far as the pickle title yeah everything was in perfect alignment that day so what? I won get over it ! Maybe i got lucky who knows who cares! I think that winning a NYC Pickle title in the heart of the big apple is alot better than claiming a peanut butter and bannana title somwhere out in bismark north dakota where the greyhounds dont even go there. I can only come to a meeting of the minds in agreement with what you said regarding my lack of consistency or activity . Aside from that i disagree with nearly all of your negative commentary. As far as my side act away from the table you nor any of your compadre’s could hold a candle to any of my media exploits . Try running a website for three years holding down two jobs with barely any free time on my end and still find time to put together a tv show. Try researching and deveolping that Mr Vacuum cleaner. Ive heard your leader in a chicago radio interview. Not impressed at all especially when i had to endure ‘”Umm” “Whaa” ‘Huh” throught most of the interview. Whatever remarks i made that you feel i should be ashamed of , on the contrary i am proud of what i said and stand by them one hundred percent. Ha ! .

  85. Rhonda Evans said

    November 17, 2006 @ 2:53 pm

    Is the Human Vacuum Cleaner an Oreck or one of those push varieties?

  86. HUMANVACUUM said (Registered November 16, 2006)

    November 20, 2006 @ 12:31 pm

    I am not going to get too long winded here(for a change) lol. BB you start by saying that you didn’t claim you could beat cookie then you got going and slammed him again. I have nothing to say about my very humbling 13 hot dog eat except that they were awful. Carlene could only manage 17 that day. My massive hangover didn’t help either. Whatever the case I had a bad day. I am human. I think someone named Sonja only did 18 in her first attempt.

    I hope you had fun throwing your tantrum above. All who know you can plainly see what you can’t admit to yourself. Don’t try to put words in my mouth about Johnny B. I clearly said I didn’t know his identity. MY type of mentality? All I have done is defend AICE eaters and then you chimed in with your indignant remarks about AICE. MY accomplishments……..3 degrees, low level executive postition with a fortune 500 company at the age of 26, I merely own my own business now. Geez, I guess I am a putz.

    Don’t drag Eric in to help defend you. I have met Eric and think he is a nice guy. Typical “I go get my friends” mentality that I expected out of you.

    Keep angrily lashing out defending yourself by putting other people down. It makes you look like a class guy.

    Peace and good eats!

    vac

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