Rankings & Nathan’s performances (since 2010)
The following list compares an eater’s current IFOCE ranking with the most hot dogs he or she has eaten in a Nathan’s contest since the start of 2010 according to the eatfeats database.
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The following list compares an eater’s current IFOCE ranking with the most hot dogs he or she has eaten in a Nathan’s contest since the start of 2010 according to the eatfeats database.
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Matt "Mega Toad" Stonie said (Registered June 22, 2010)
May 22, 2011 @ 10:19 pm
Big kudos to Badlands on this list haha
He must have hidden potential in HDB’s
SPBBBBMBBB said
May 22, 2011 @ 11:51 pm
…I was just following Ricky Bobby’s theory…”if you ain’t first, you’re last”
FaRt! said
May 23, 2011 @ 12:14 am
so basically what does it mean,mr. the OJ ?
Matt "Mega Toad" Stonie said (Registered June 22, 2010)
May 23, 2011 @ 2:31 am
Just an opinion, i dunno why people keep bashing OJ for posting random Competive Eating related topics…
I mean look at Yahoo, 80% of the news they post is pretty random, just for the hell of it news, but it’s news, and i dont see people hating on Yahoo for that.
Just take it for what its worth.
CiCi said
May 23, 2011 @ 3:13 am
I think this is pretty cool to be honest
Anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 5:40 am
Matt, it is probably just one person with a helper who bash oj, I will not name names. Basically, the aptly self-named Mr. Fart, it means that if you look closely, you can think about those rankings and see that actually there is a pattern there from which you can draw certain conclusions. My first thought is that that number for Badlands should be looked at closely just as everyone did at the time. How were his other numbers in HDB. Did he consistently eat in that range in the past? I think people were very surprised. On a quick glance, it looks as if people are pretty much ranked based on Nathans, this was said before. It also looks as if that ranking is pretty fair. Let’s have good, civil discourse about this because honestly, I thought the rankings were pretty random. This chart has me thinking otherwise.So here is another chart or charts of interest to me. See how or whether or not eaters have improved, stayed the same in hotdogs. Go away Mr. Fart, you smell, and not in a good way. You are right Mr. Fart, we think it and it is true. OJ’s doesn’t smell.
ANONYMOUS said
May 23, 2011 @ 6:12 am
Its not people that are bashing, its one person
TheCrizz said (Registered May 21, 2011)
May 23, 2011 @ 6:54 am
Yea, looking at some of the eaters rankings on this chart look shockingly similar to their rank on IFOCE… keep in mind though MLE said the rankings will change on memorial day
anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 7:05 am
anony 5:40 am you must have nothing better to do than stay up all night running to defend a fake, a liar and last but not least a sneak. Very strong chance you are OJ Rifkin in the flesh but that remains to be seen. I will not go away. The only thing you have going for you is that others have yet to jump on the anti oj bandwagon. That will change very soon when your fans start to become aware what a deceitful sniveling coward you really are. You must be reminded constantly what a two faced no good bastard you truly are. I wont allow you to allow others to bash Seiken . He went out of his way to be nice and you played dirty. I could care less how many anonymous morons come to your defense. Its more than one but less than a handful and that you can take to the bank
Stallion Italian said (Registered August 27, 2010)
May 23, 2011 @ 7:55 am
http://eatfeats.com/query.php?_table=eaters&id=5
Very interesting. Booker seems to have such a wide range of numbers of hotdogs eaten. It seems that he has eaten 40 and the recent high number since 2010 but also some (relatively) low numbers, at least for him. Someone wrote fairly recently that some eaters, when they know they are not going to place or win, make a decision sometime during the contest to not keep stuffing themselves and suffer the aftereffects, especially if they are doing close together contests. That makes some sense even if they are not. There is no money incentive nor even a ranking incentive to place as high as you can unless it is in hotdogs.
Rhonda Evans said (Registered March 6, 2008)
May 23, 2011 @ 8:33 am
Matt, 95 % of the OJ-bashing comes from one person. Why? Jealousy, resentment, and egocentrism, to the point bashing just to bash, without reason.
A-5:40, Yes the rankings are very heavily weighted on Nathan’s, and I too agree that for the most part the rankings fairly legitimate. More than any other food or food group, HDBs are the best overall indicator of talent, with not too many exceptions.
Once MLE improves on its track record of counting/weighing, you’ll be able to give more creedence to the rankings. The way it is now is sort of like imagining baseball games, whereby no one bothers to record runs, inning-by-inning, and at the end of the game the scorekeeper(s) sit down to ascertain who they think should be the winner, based on memory of runs scored and by whom.
Yes, that analogy is an exaggeration, but that’s the way it sometimes seems, and perception often is the only reality we know.
Anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 8:37 am
Good Grief Charlie Brown and Seiken, you are really off the charts. Out of your way to be nice? no wonder people seem to avoid you like the plague. You have a highly selective memory, one of the most selfish and miserable personalities in competitive eating judging just by what you yourself write here. They may be nice to your face just to not let your bullshit and negative stuff pollute their fun and focus at a contest. Your posting privileges should have been pulled long go with this crap. Monday is the start of the work week for some of us, I bet even for OJ. Wasting my words on you since you never ever seem to consider what people write, the really sad thing is this. People driven by hate let the hate consume them. That is you, not me. I might get irritated with what you write etc., but I do not think about you and dream up ways to do whatever to you, you are simply not on my radar all of the time. Eatfeats is on yours all of the time. Some of us enjoy debate and watching and some enjoy eating, you, my not friend enjoy zilch.
Rhonda Evans said (Registered March 6, 2008)
May 23, 2011 @ 8:45 am
SI, if after a few minutes, I realized I had no chance of finishing in the money, I’d sit back and eat for enjoyment. The excess calories and other “bad actors” people get from excessive eating are just not worth it.
Why eat an extra 2 pounds of grits, for example, to move up from 8th to 6th place, if they only pay the top three?
Rhonda Evans said (Registered March 6, 2008)
May 23, 2011 @ 8:55 am
Quote of the day from A:705:
I” wont allow you to allow others to bash Seiken . He went out of his way to be nice and you played dirty.”
Are we even in the same galaxy?
Nathan in Cali said
May 23, 2011 @ 11:16 am
It’s really hard to say if HDB’s weigh heavily on rankings. There are some glaring inaccuracies if HDB’s really are the basis of an eaters ranking. Of those who are currently ranked in the top 50, based on this list (great list btw OJ) and “IF” HDB’s really justified an eaters ranking there a lot of underrated eaters out there. For example
If your rank matched the amount of HDB’s eaten (again of those who are currently ranked) here are the most UNDERATED eaters
20th – Ron Koch – 19HDB’s – actual ranking 33rd – difference of 13 spots
24th – Ryan McKillop – 17.75HDB’s – actual ranking 34th – difference of 10 spots
11th – Shredder – 28.75HDB’s – actual ranking 20th – difference of 9 spots
19th – Damon Wells – 22HDB’s – actual ranking 28th – difference of 9 spots
4th – Booker – 38HDB’s – actual ranking 11th – difference of 7 Spots
Most OVERRATED
30th – Nat Biller – 14.5HDB’s – actual ranking 19th – difference of 11 spots
these are the most extreme there are a few that or 4-6 spot differences, so this either goes to show you that the rankings are not solely based on HDB’s… That or the IFOCE just half asses the ranking and say’s “Looks good enough for the next 7-10 months”…
Nathan in Cali said
May 23, 2011 @ 11:29 am
Correction, Ron Koch has the 21st most amount of HDB’s amoungst the current ranked eaters not the 20th (Drian Dud)… so he would that would make a difference of 12 spots for Ron not, 13…
A. Nonymous Fan said
May 23, 2011 @ 12:29 pm
Nathan in Cali: Don’t forget to put Sean “Wrecking Ball†Brockert on the over rated list. 10 HDB’s and is ranked ahead of all but one person #40-#50.
anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 12:30 pm
Funny you mention that 8:37 . I guess the same eaters that are nice to Seiken in person but in your mind stab him in the back when he walks away are the same people that told Seiken at the contest that this site is a joke , they guy that runs it is a joke and the idiots that post with fake names are even more of a joke. I guess the next comment “we just say those things to appease him” . I think the first line makes much more sense. Matter of fact if Seiken didnt bring up the name eatfeats at the contest, nobody would even care or pay it any mind except for a laugh or two when they visit the net. Just to prove how boring the comment section is, without the back and forth trash talk on this topic , hardly any other comments would surface at all. Seiken appears to generate the business for OJ Rifkin which proves how lame this site really is
Anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 12:48 pm
Ryan McKillop is probably good where he is, or a little over-ranked. A good number in HDBs, but he also has two DQs in 13 showings. Gary Klucken is way over-ranked as well.
Stallion Italian said (Registered August 27, 2010)
May 23, 2011 @ 1:29 pm
Seiken 12:30, if every government were as transparent as you. You went out of your way to give publicity to eatfeats at a contest? The same eatfeats on which you have let forth your spewing filth and wrath? Just proves many points. You just cannot let it go. Back to real topics on eatfeats. Rhonda makes some good points about hotdogs and buns but what about eaters who only do Nathans and nothing else, no other contests. I know the rankings are not something MLE spends much time on, I thought from the chart that the numbers of hdb made it easy for them. Personally, I think you do need to give some kind of recognition to eaters who pay their own way to contests (almost all I guess) and those who do free appearances and publicity because they want to but do not get paid for any of that. Seems a little unfair to let only Nathans determine full rankings in that sense. But you do have to go with numbers. If you veer away from numbers, then the whole thing is completely subjective. I guess hdb may be the way to go since for the most part, all eaters are eating Nathans. At least that is one factor which is more or less the same.
Nathan in Cali said
May 23, 2011 @ 2:51 pm
A. Nonymous Fan said
May 23, 2011 @ 12:29 pm
Nathan in Cali: Don’t forget to put Sean “Wrecking Ball†Brockert on the over rated list. 10 HDB’s and is ranked ahead of all but one person #40-#50.
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Sean has done decent in corn, all his other performance are pretty meager to say the least… Now does that justify his 39th ranking, that’s debatable…
Then again why Jon Lapolla who has only 2 contests under his belt and hasn’t competed in almost 2 full years is ranked 49th, why Shawn “6 meat Ball” Kirby is ranked 47th, or the biggest head scratcher of them all, Marco Marquez at 21st with only one contest in almost 2 years can also be a good argument that the IFOCE puts little to no effort into the rankings.
Anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 2:52 pm
“… for the most part, all eaters are eating Nathans. At least that is one factor which is more or less the same.”
You did say most, but there are people in the rankings who have either never competed in Nathan’s, or not within the last 18 months:
Marco Marquez (may not be eating in IFOCE contests anymore, as he competed in the Denver Wing contest this year and only ate once in 2010),
Ben Taylor (active, has never done Nathan’s),
Aaron Osthoff (new),
both Bauers (inactive(?), never did Nathan’s),
Jason Erb (active, but hasn’t done Nathan’s since 2008),
Brian Seiken (active, hasn’t done Nathan’s since 2009),
Mike Landrich (active, hasn’t done Nathan’s since 2008),
Jon Bello (active, has never done Nathan’s),
Shawn Kirby (active (?) hasn’t done Nathan’s since 2008),
Jon Lapolla (inactive), and
Bruce Ollis (active, has never done Nathan’s).
Anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 2:59 pm
Same thoughts, NiC.
Stallion Italian said (Registered August 27, 2010)
May 23, 2011 @ 3:03 pm
Oh……just checked back in. That is interesting. So actually that means that people who do not do Nathans but do other contests do get recognition. That is good, I think it is. Perhaps some of those eaters really love competitive eating but know that they will not qualify for Nathans or that it would be very unlikely. They wouldn’t want to spend lots of money to try. People seem to think there is a grand plan or conspiracy about where eaters try to qualify. I think there is certainly some strategy involved as there should be. Like any sport, since this is not a team one, every eater should try to figure out their best chances to qualify. Most cannot afford to fly here and there as well, so geography plays a part. Lots of eaters, for good reasons, only do contests they can get to by driving fairly easily. There is room in the sport for everyone. That’s for replying. What I meant by all eaters are eating Nathans is not what you interpreted. I was trying to say that it seems that conditions vary greatly at contests, one year some food category is different than the last so even comparing numbers is something difficult. I just meant that if you are trying to qualify for Nathans, every eater is eating Nathans hotdogs. The sizes of hotdogs and buns should be the same even if sometimes they aren’t fresh or aren’t cooked the same or sat around etc. Thanks again for making your list.
Anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 3:20 pm
Unfortunately, SI, the Nathan’s hot dogs, the buns, and even the preparation, in the same year, can vary greatly. In most cases, the natural casing 8/1 two ounce hot dog is used (the one that is used at the finals), they are flat-top grilled, and a standard 1.5 to two ounce bun is used. There have been cases where they have used the skinless Nathan’s hot dogs, they have been boiled instead of grilled (both in Pittsburgh one year, I think), the hot dogs were bigger (Las Vegas?), and there were reports this year that the buns at Patriot Place seemed to be bigger. The general consensus is that the skinless dogs are easier to eat.
I think the buns are not always supplied by the Nathan’s commissary and local buns may be used; as Bimbo Bakeries has been running around buying up independent bakeries across the US, we may see more differences this year.
I concur with your statement about not bothering to go to a qualifier based on your past performance. Why waste the money?
Anonymous said
May 23, 2011 @ 4:39 pm
Seiken logs more time on this site than his own!
Stallion Italian said (Registered August 27, 2010)
May 24, 2011 @ 8:09 am
Oh Drat, I was hoping that at least one, just one of the foods used in contests, would be the same. Lots of knowledgeable anonymous people posting here, really, this is great. Boiled versus grilled and natural casing versus none plus the buns with differences can make a difference, not sure how much? This is good information, especially for newish eaters. These must be things they learn on the circuits but again, since many cannot go to contests out of their area, there is gold right here on eatfeats. I guess, like anything else in life, the answer is be prepared for the unexpected. Reading about this, if I were an eater and interested in hotdog contests, I would at least try the different types. Cannot understand how the hotdogs could be bigger, aren’t they packaged etc? I guess sometimes qualifier set-ups might not even use Nathans? scandal. I am guessing this because the qualifiers are held in all kinds of places and organized (the food part, set-up etc.) by so many different groups that maybe you really do have to expect the unexpected. MLE shows up with whatevers and themselves but probably even they have to adjust to what they find.
Anonymous said
May 24, 2011 @ 10:10 am
In addition to the two ounce natural casing hot dog, Nathan’s also makes over a dozen different sizes of skinless dogs (the number in front of the item indicates how many to the pound):
http://nathansfamous.com/PageFetch2/getpage.php?pgid=15
I don’t know if Nathan’s supplies appropriately sized buns to go with the different sizes, but I know Sabrett’s offers smaller buns for their 12/1 hot dog.
I haven’t seen the natural casing dog (Nathan’s version) in any other size but the two ounce, 8/1. As I noted before, I think one year Rich LeFevre and the rest of the eaters in Vegas were presented with four ounce dogs.
Anonymous said
May 24, 2011 @ 10:13 am
Keep in mind, even if presented with a non-standard HDB at a qualifier, everyone else at that qualifier will have the same item, so it’s still a level playing field. Makes it difficult to compare totals (and set a wildcard) if the dogs are bigger, though!
anonymous said
May 24, 2011 @ 10:30 am
Some eaters should be dropped or removed for inactivity . Allen Goldsten for starters. What has he done after Nathans 2010? Nothing
Nathan in Cali said
May 24, 2011 @ 11:13 am
anonymous said
May 24, 2011 @ 10:30 am
Some eaters should be dropped or removed for inactivity . Allen Goldsten for starters. What has he done after Nathans 2010? Nothing
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why hate on the Shredder? Some eaters arent as active as other eaters for varies reasons, family, work, financial means for travel, mainly LIFE!!!
Now if Shredder did an outside contest, hasn’t done an IFOCE event in more then a couple years and hasn’t signed up for any qualifiers this year then maybe drop or remove him.
I think it took a full year and a half for them to finally remove the Locus even after he said he had retired… Now he just does the local contests, nothing wrong with that.
anonymous said
May 24, 2011 @ 11:16 am
Some of you take pleasure is slamming the sheas and MLE , but keep in mind that you wouldnt be having these hot dog conversations if it wasnt for them. Maybe you should salute the real pioneers of the sport every once in a while
anonymous said
May 24, 2011 @ 11:51 am
INathans i think its more like being cheap or afraid to look bad amongst competition
Rhonda Evans said (Registered March 6, 2008)
May 24, 2011 @ 12:24 pm
I agree A-11:16: The legends who made CE possible should be saluted. I give tons of credit to Badlands Booker, Ed Jarvis, Charles Hardy, Moses Lerman, Mike Devito, and Ed Krachie. (And I can’t forget Krazy Kev.)
The person I might have left out has already exalted himself into the stratosphere, and needs no further push from me.